by Ottawa Fringe

June 28, 2021

The Ottawa Fringe Festival (“Ottawa Fringe”) is hiring for the position of Executive Director.

This role is responsible for the overseeing of the Ottawa Fringe Festival, the Undercurrents Festival, and Arts Court Theatre.

Duration: This is a permanent, full-time position.
Hours: 37.5 hours/week, with the ability to work overtime during festivals and some events.
Salary: $58,000.00 per annum.

Who We Are: 
The Ottawa Fringe is an organization committed to empowering audiences, encouraging artists to take risks, pursue their visions, and develop their skills. The organization manages the theatre and arts spaces in the Arts Court and produces two festivals, the Ottawa Fringe Festival and Undercurrents. The Ottawa Fringe Festival is an uncensored, annual, Ottawa-based summer festival that provides emerging and established artists an opportunity to produce their
work. The winter festival, Undercurrents, is a curated festival that showcases the best original, contemporary theatre created by local, national, and international artists.

  • Leading full-time and seasonal staff and working in collaboration with the Board of Directors to establish and reach organization and festival goals
  • Determining budget and operational timelines to ensure healthy financial practices and sustainable financial security
  •  Developing fundraising and development strategy, including sponsorship, grant, and donation components
  • Managing festival resources including revenue streams, granting requirements, and expenditures
  • Working closely with the Treasurer to ensure up-to-date financial status, support annual audit evaluations, and fiscal transparency
  • Collaborating closely with the Board to further develop and implement the Anti-Harassment Policy, Anti-Sexual Violence Policy, and any recommendations or findings of safe space and diversity audits, consultations, and evaluations;
  • Providing monthly reports on operations, human resources and staffing, and current or anticipated challenges to the Board of Directors, including availability to attend regular meetings and respond to inquiries;
  • Researching and representing the organization at industry events, including additional networking opportunities and events
  • Overseeing the Ottawa Fringe Festival
  • Programming and producing the Undercurrents Festival, including:
    – Maintaining a commitment to diversity and equity in the Undercurrents Festival programming
    – Overseeing the creation and development of undercurrents programming
    – Liaising with artists during the Fringe and Undercurrents festivals, and additional programming as required
    – Working with staff on festival-related events, such as launches, closing ceremonies, Mini-Fringers, Best of Fest, and the distribution of merchandise
    – Conducting performance evaluations for all direct reports
  • Establishing and maintaining artistic vision for the organization
  • Providing support and leadership while managing full-time staff, including the Technical Director, the Marketing and Communications Outreach Manager, and the General Manager
  • Supporting the growth and development of staff, including arranging regular training and professional development opportunities
  • Working closely with staff to ensure function of office and rental spaces, as well as equipment
  • Working closely with staff to ensure appropriate and accurate messaging and representation of the organization
  • Other duties, as required

The Executive Director will work closely with the Board of Directors to determine additional responsibilities and/or update the scope of duties.

  • Share and actively uphold the values of the Ottawa Fringe, including support for and celebration of diversity, equity, and inclusion
  • Commit to creating and upholding a safe and inclusive space for staff, artists, and patrons, including taking actions to ensure an environment free of harassment, racism, sexism, homophobia, and transphobia
  • Five (5) years of experience with theatre and arts programming
  • Five (5) years of experience with festival or event coordination
  • Three (3) years of experience with managing operational budgets, grant revenue, and complex financials
  • Experience managing full-time staff in a fast-paced environment and not-for-profit organization
  • Experience collaborating with and obtaining approvals from a Board of Directors
  • Experience developing successful fundraising and development strategies and planning
  • Knowledge and experience writing and reporting on successful grant proposals to municipal, provincial, and federal funding bodies, as well as private foundations
  • Experience securing private donations and sponsored funding
  • Familiarity with Canadian Fringe Festivals and the national theatre landscape
  • Exceptional communication skills, including building and maintaining relationships with a diverse range of stakeholders, clients, and audiences
  • Exceptional organization and time-management skills
  • Ability to adapt quickly to new and changing deadlines, circumstances, and challenges
  • Ability to measure and manage organization risks effectively and with consideration
  • Bilingualism is an asset

Please send to the hiring committee ([email protected]) your resume and cover letter describing your qualifications and detailing why you believe you are the ideal candidate for the Executive Director position by Friday, July 16. Only candidates who qualify will be contacted for next steps in the interview process.

Two feet in boots jumping on a TV

A big thanks to our incredible audience for watching and participating in the 2021 Ottawa Fringe Festival! Because of your support, we are able to put over $10,000 into the pockets of artists, during a pandemic.

Here’s to an in-person festival next year!


With the exception of Audience Choice & Spirit of the Fringe, these awards were adjudicated by a jury of 6 Ottawa artists, volunteers and patrons.

  • Outstanding Production – Blindside
  • Outstanding Solo Performance – Margo MacDonald, Dressed As People
  • Outstanding Ensemble Performance – Speaking Vibrations
  • Outstanding New Work – Triptych
  • Digital Innovation Award – W-YRD
  • Audience Choice Award – Dressed As People
  • Spirit of the Fringe Award – Patrick Gauthier

Seasonal Job Posting: Media Coordinator

by Ottawa Fringe

April 21, 2021

The Media Coordinator will work directly with the festival’s Marketing and Communications Officer, creating content for all our social media platforms, tracking social media metrics, assisting in website updates, and media interactions. The successful candidate will be a motivated team player with excellent communication skills.  They should be outgoing and happy to communicate with artists and press through social media.

This position is mostly remote, but may be required to be on site at Arts Court, depending on advice from Ottawa Public Health.

Duration: June 1, 2021 – June 30, 2021

Hours: 25 hours/week*, evening and weekend availability required
*25 hours/week is a total average of work completed. Workload will vary depending on the week.

Rate: $18/hr

Please send your CV to [email protected] by Monday, May 10, 2021.

We thank all applicants for their interest, however only those selected for an interview will be contacted.


Duties and responsibilities include:
  • Monitoring and creating content for all Ottawa Fringe social media accounts (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram), while tracking metrics and engagement
  • Developing a content calendar and posting schedule, in coordination with Marketing and Communications Officer
  • Interacting with our follower network and responding to comments/messages, to encourage engagement
  • Assisting with website updates and over-seeing online reviews
  • Accompanying Fringe artists to media interviews and requests
  • Creating an end-of-festival report on metrics for both social media and website accounts
The ideal candidate will have:
  • Knowledge of and experience with various social media platforms
  • Knowledge of and experience with website development
  • High level writing and communication skills
  • Experience with media communication is a plus
  • Familiarity with the Ottawa Fringe Festival and/or the Ottawa theatre scene is a strong asset
  • Experience in WordPress is an asset
  • Bilingualism is an asset

Code of Conduct: Community Feedback

by Ottawa Fringe

February 10, 2021

Ottawa Fringe Community,

Since 2019, a select-team of Ottawa Fringe staff have been working in collaboration with Ottawa Coalition to End Violence Against Women (OCTEVAW) and Project SoundCheck™ to take actionable steps toward creating a safer environment at our festivals and events.

We began by creating a Response Team, made up of staff members Amanda Logan, Brit Johnston, and Patrick Gauthier. Their job was to develop the new policy on Sexual Violence Prevention and Response. This comprehensive document articulates processes and procedures for prevention on- and off-site, reporting and handling disclosures, confidentiality, and our commitment to survivors. This document is currently in development and will be put into action publicly before the June 2021 Fringe Festival.

Part of this work is creating a community Code of Conduct that will be applied to all staff, artists, volunteers, and patrons. It is a unique manifesto that outlines our expectations for the people who wish to participate in any/all of our activities.

We want to be transparent and accountable to the Ottawa theatre community. This means giving you a chance to review and give feedback so that we can make our Code of Conduct as clear as possible.

We invite you to take a read, and let us know via our anonymous survey your thoughts, feelings, and feedback. The survey closes February 28, 2021.

Your responses will only be read and reviewed by the Response Team.
If you would like to talk to someone directly we have included their emails below. Your conversation will remain confidential. 

Thank you for taking the time to contribute,
The Ottawa Fringe Response Team

Amanda Logan: [email protected]

Brit Johnston: [email protected]

Patrick Gauthier: [email protected]

Code of Conduct

Ottawa Fringe is committed to providing an environment free of discrimination, violence and harassment, where all individuals are treated with respect and dignity, can contribute fully and have equal opportunities.

Employees, Volunteers, Artists and Patrons can expect to be treated with respect, and themselves are expected to treat others with respect in the workplace and at all Ottawa Fringe activities.

Sexual harassment and/or violence will not be tolerated, condoned or ignored by the Ottawa Fringe Organization. All complaints under this policy will be dealt with in a timely, confidential and effective manner.

We will not stand by individuals that have been proven unsafe. This includes filing reports with appropriate authorities, termination of employment or, in the case of a participant or patron, banning them from events presented by Ottawa Fringe. All reasonable steps will be taken by Ottawa Fringe employees to protect the victim/survivor  from retaliation for reporting harassment, violence or discrimination, or for cooperating with an internal investigation, reporting to police or any other justice or accountability process.

As a community we have a responsibility to stand together to protect one another and hold each other accountable. We value consent and encourage all our employees, volunteers, artists and patrons to work together to ensure Ottawa Fringe is a safer space for everyone at our events.

This Code of Conduct applies to all current employees of the Ottawa Fringe including all full and part-time, casual, contract, permanent and temporary employees. It also applies to all persons who attend Ottawa Fringe activities or spaces (including without limitation, offices, theatres, tents, outdoor spaces). Without limitation, this policy will therefore apply to patrons, volunteers, artists and other third-party participants, independent contractors and members of the Board of Directors.


Deadline for Nominations: Ongoing until December 11, 2020

Positions Available: Member at Large


The Ottawa Fringe Festival is seeking nominations to our volunteer board of directors. We are
looking for a diverse set of board members, to provide different ideas and perspectives as our
mandate and operations continue to grow.

As the highest leadership body of the organization and to satisfy its fiduciary duties, the board is
responsible for:

 Determining the mission and purposes of the organization
 Strategic and organizational planning
 Ensuring strong fiduciary oversight and financial management
 Fundraising and resource development
 Selecting and evaluating the performance of the Managing Director
 Assessing its own performance as the governing body of the Ottawa Fringe Festival

Responsibilities of a board member

 Know the organization’s mission, policies, programs, and needs
 Read and understand the organization’s financial statements
 Leverage connections, networks, and resources to achieve the Ottawa Fringe Festival’s
 Prepare for, attend, and conscientiously participate in board meetings
 Participate fully in one or more committees

Ideal candidate

In their application, candidates are invited to comment on their experience in arts and culture, nonprofit
governance, diversity and inclusion, communications, human resources, financial oversight, law, or
As a member of the board of the Ottawa Fringe Festival, you will gain leadership and networking
experience with a nonprofit board. In particular, there are opportunities to gain experience in finance,
human resources, fundraising, communications, and strategic planning.
About the Ottawa Fringe Festival
The Ottawa Fringe Festival provides all performing artists, both emerging and established, with the
opportunity to produce their work – regardless of content, form, or style – within an environment that is
as affordable and accessible as possible to the members of the community. The Ottawa Fringe Festival’s
mission is to empower audiences and to encourage artists to take risks, pursue their visions, and develop
their skills.

The organization produces two festivals: the Ottawa Fringe Festival and the undercurrents festival. Since
2013, Ottawa Fringe has also been managing Arts Court Theatre and other studio and rehearsal spaces in
the historic building.


Nominated candidates will be presented at our Annual General Meeting in January 2021. Board members
are elected for two-year terms. Meetings are usually in the evenings at Arts Court (2 Daly Ave), or
electronically over Zoom, and are conducted in English.

The Ottawa Fringe Festival is committed to ensuring that the composition of its board reflects, as much as
possible, the diversity of the community that we serve. We have set a goal to increase the diversity of our
board and the representation of people with disabilities.

The Ottawa Fringe Festival is also committed to providing a safe and inclusive space for our festival’s
audiences, volunteers, artists, and staff. Read our full anti-harassment policy.

If you are interested, please send your resume and cover letter to [email protected].

Call for Artists – #OTTFRINGE POP UP PATIO

by Ottawa Fringe

August 10, 2020

The POP UP PATIO series is a weekly performance showcase of local artists, taking place at Arts Court’s outdoor courtyard (67 Nicholas Street).  

We are currently seeking submissions from Ottawa-based artists for short works (about 7 minutes). This multidisciplinary performance series is organized in the Fringe spirit, artists have the freedom to choose whatever content and genre they wish, it can be anything from storytelling, to music, dance, spoken word, clown, etc. 

The #OTTFRINGE POP UP PATIO will be held every Thursday from 7:00-8:00 PM, and will be live-streamed to the Ottawa Fringe Twitch Page (as well as to🥳). 

We are offering a performance fee for artists. 


The application is short and asks for the following:

  • Number of performers in your act
  • Contact tracing information
  • Two headshot/photo options
  • A short bio that would fit into a tweet (140-280 words)
  • Genre and/or title of show
  • Tech requirements

*Please be aware that we are following physical distancing and safety measures. While on-site you will be asked to wear a mask and sanitize your hands. You may remove your face covering only when performing. Our staff will be responsible for cleaning equipment in between acts. 

Following City of Ottawa guidelines, we are allowing a small invite-only audience of 15 people max. Participating artists are welcome to invite up to 3 friends and we ask that you send us each of their email addresses for contact tracing purposes. 

Ready to apply? CLICK HERE.


Black Lives Matter

by Ottawa Fringe

June 16, 2020

Dear Fringe family and friends,

We have been deeply unsettled by the violence we have witnessed towards Black people at the hands of police, including in our own city. We have been heartbroken alongside millions of people who have witnessed – firsthand and through the news – continued acts of hate and blatant racial injustice. 

We have been doing our best to listen and learn from Black voices, activists, and communities who continue to face and organize against these realities every day. Members of our Fringe community have generously reached out to us to share their encouragement and hold us accountable. We are grateful for these weeks of learning, during which we have felt anger, grief, and also the hope that a better world is not only possible but arriving.  

We would first like to acknowledge that we are a predominantly white organization, and that we continue to benefit from this in many ways.

Our staff and Board have been largely white since our first festival in 1997, and we continue to have access to multiple funding opportunities, partnerships, and collaborations because of this. This is changing slowly, but it is not enough.

We also owe a great debt to Black culture, Black artists, and Black creativity. From our hip-hop-influenced dance parties to our ignorance of the history of Black theatre in Ottawa, our organization has benefited from the efforts and energies of erased voices and co-opted aesthetics. We should have done better.

Our role in the lives of our Fringe community and our unique, long-standing position within Ottawa comes with a great responsibility to interrupt our privilege and ensure a safe and respectful environment for Black artists, patrons, volunteers, and collaborators. This is a responsibility we take very seriously.

We want to be clear about what that means. So here is where we stand:

We condemn police brutality and recognize the widespread systemic racism perpetuated against Black, Indigenous, and people of colour. 

We support the Black Lives Matter movement. We look to Black anti-racism activists and leaders to better understand our world as we move towards a more just society.

We are indebted to the Black artists that have come before us. Their brilliance, creativity, and foundational contribution to our theatre and arts community have been unjustly ignored, and our Black artistic colleagues continue to be erased in our theatres.

We are committed to holding ourselves to account. We are evaluating our festival processes, policies, and actions that have directly and indirectly perpetuated anti-Black racism, and we are challenging the ways in which we continue to be complicit.

Many of you know that we have worked to foster an inclusive environment through our Open Doors program and the work of our Diversity and Accessibility Committees. We are proud of these initiatives as first steps, but we commit to doing more to serve our Black, Indigenous, or POC artistic friends and colleagues.

As we reflect on this reality, we are asking ourselves difficult questions about the barriers facing BIPOC artists and our role in perpetuating them in our own organization. We are examining critically the impacts of our outreach approaches, application processes, programming and marketing themes, and use of language.

We are also considering the impacts of the inherent biases in our procedures for addressing safety in our festival and theatre spaces, the lottery system we utilize, our hiring practices, and Board member representation.

And we will join the Vancouver and Toronto Fringe Festivals in participating in an Equity, Diversity, and Inclusion audit as a way to be accountable for the anti-Black racism we have not yet acknowledged in ourselves. These findings will inform future Fringe decisions and become a regular occurrence for our festival.

These actions are only the beginning of our path forward. In order to know exactly where to go, we are committed to the ongoing process of accountability, learning, and relationship building – and working that process into everything that we do to determine the most meaningful actions we can take as our organization shifts and grows. We will continue to check ourselves, and encourage you to hold us accountable.

We are dedicated to the process of learning, listening, making mistakes, learning and listening again, and doing better. As artists and creators, we spend a lot of our time imagining and re-imagining changed worlds, new worlds, and inside-out worlds. Collectively, we have the skills to do amazing and important things – now is the time to do this work. 

We also invite people to follow the #inthedressingroom conversation online to learn about the experiences of BIPOC artists and creators. And if you feel comfortable, we encourage you to share your own experiences. 

There is more work to be done. We hope you will join us.

With gratitude,
The Ottawa Fringe 


This conversation is focused on Black Lives and artists. We hope we have not conflated the experiences of our Black, Indigenous, and POC friends and colleagues, and we want to acknowledge the complexity of these conversations on unceded traditional territory of the Algonquin Anishinaabe. As we evaluate our anti-Black racism, we see how our actions have impacted other communities and contributed to exclusion.



Abdirahman Abdi 

D’Andre Campbell 

George Floyd 

Breonna Taylor 

Regis Korchinski-Paquet, shared traditional territories of the Anishinaabe, Haudenosaunee, and the Mississaugas of the Credit First Nation

Chantel Moore, traditional territory of the Mi’kmaq 

Eishia Hudson, traditional territories of the Anishinaabeg, Cree, Oji-Cree, Dakota, and Dene Peoples, and on the homeland of the Métis Nation 

Randy Cochrane, traditional territories of the Anishinaabeg, Cree, Oji-Cree, Dakota, and Dene Peoples, and on the homeland of the Métis Nation 

Machuar Madut 

Eric Garner 

Trayvon Martin 

Freddie Grey 

Sandra Bland 

Philando Castile 

And so many others. 

Resources and Learning

Below is a short list of some of the resources that we have found helpful to learn from these past few weeks. 

Petition: We See You, White American Theatre 

Video: White Creatives, Do I Have Your Attention?

Article: 31 Black Canadian Playwrights You Need to Know

Book: The Skin We’re In: A Year of Black Resistance and Power by Desmond Cole  

Series: Maclean’s ‘Letters to America’ series 

Book: Policing Black Lives: State Violence in Canada from Slavery to the Present by Robyn Maynard 

Article: The Black Women Who Paved the Way for this Moment by Keisha N. Blain 

Article: To Breathe Together: Co-Conspirators for Decolonial Futures by Sefanit Habtom and Megan Scribe


If you would like to make a donation, please follow the links below. 

Black Lives Matter – Toronto 

Black Artists’ Network in Dialogue 

Black Youth Helpline 

Pathways to Education – Ottawa

Black Action Legal Centre 

Ottawa Fringe Playwrights in Quarantine Unit

by Ottawa Fringe

April 6, 2020

Ottawa Fringe is looking for Ottawa-based playwrights to participate in an eight-week Playwright’s Unit, beginning in May 2020. Participants will develop their scripts-in-progress in a supportive environment, led by Festival Director Patrick Gauthier and Associate Festival Director Brit Johnston.   

Meetings will be held weekly, via Zoom. We will accept applications from individuals and writing teams. A maximum of six projects will be selected for participation.

Participation in the unit is free, but you are expected to attend all group meetings, held 7:00-9:00 pm, on the following dates:

May 6th: Meeting #1
May 13th: Meeting #2
May 20th: Meeting #3
May 27th: Meeting #4
June 3rd: Meeting #5
June 10th: Meeting #6
June 17th: Meeting #7
June 24th: Meeting #8

How to apply

We’re trying to keep the process as simple as possible. Anyone interested in participating will be asked for the following:

  • Contact info
  • Info about your proposed project: title, development history
  • Statement of intent: what is your artistic process? what are your goals for the work? what are your expectations for the unit?  (500 words, max)
  • Writing sample: this can be the project you intend to develop as part of the Unit, or past work; we will also accept non-theatre writing (10-15 pages, max)

Deadline for submissions is Monday, April 20 at 11:59 pm.


Send them to Brit Johnston: [email protected]

Ready to submit?

Click here.

2020 Ottawa Fringe Festival

by Ottawa Fringe

April 3, 2020

It is with great sadness that we announce the cancellation of the 2020 Ottawa Fringe Festival due to the ongoing uncertainty created by COVID-19. 

The health and community impacts of the virus continue to evolve rapidly. In these circumstances, we are unable to provide a safe festival for our artists, staff, patrons, and volunteers. With no certainty as to when social distancing practices, physical isolation measures, and restrictions on public gatherings will be lifted, artists are unable to rehearse; our performance venues are closed indefinitely; and staff cannot adequately plan for a festival when the situation changes daily. Simply put, we can no longer produce the Ottawa Fringe Festival we know and love. 

The Ottawa Fringe Board and staff have not made this decision lightly, or without acknowledging the impact it will have on Ottawa’s artistic community – financially, emotionally, and creatively. All artists scheduled to appear in this year’s festival will have their fees refunded and participation deferred to 2021. Core staff will continue to work and be available as a (virtual) resource to artists in need of assistance. 

Ottawa Fringe is committed to Ottawa’s artists. Please reach out to our festival staff with any questions or concerns you may have at this time. While we are unable to produce a festival in 2020, we will use the downtime as well as the financial and human resources freed up by the cancellation to support local theatre creators. We’ll have more details on these initiatives in the coming weeks.

Despite COVID-19, our artists will continue to create and our community will continue to thrive. We are looking forward to the 11th undercurrents: theatre below the mainstream festival, scheduled for February 10-20, 2021. And of course, the Ottawa Fringe will return June 17-27, 2021.

You can be sure that as soon as we’re allowed to open our doors again, we will. We love the festival, its artists, patrons, and volunteers. Despite the days getting longer, June will certainly be a little darker without the Fringe. 

Thank you for your support and understanding. Please stay safe. We hope to see you again soon. 

Ottawa Fringe Board and Staff

Fringe Bootcamp 2020!

by Ottawa Fringe

March 10, 2020


This spring, Ottawa Fringe is hosting Fringe Bootcamp!  – a weekly series of workshops designed to inspire creativity, and get you ready to rehearse. Take all three, or just what interests you.

Don’t have a show in the Fringe Festival this year? No problem! These workshops are open to all, and are designed to be applied to any production you may be working on. 

Bootcamp! 2020 will focus on dramaturgy for new plays, director’s preparation, and lighting design. Details about each session and workshop leaders can be found below.

All workshops will run 10:00am – 4:00pm in Arts Court Library. Each session is $25; or take all three for $60.

Questions? Send them to [email protected]



Dramaturgy for Dummies

with Emily Pearlman
April 18, 2020

Someone you know has written a play – but it is not quite done. They want your help – but don’t quite know what sort of help. In this workshop participants will explore new play development through dramaturgy: techniques for seeing and pointing at a playwright’s patterns and preoccupations, developing a process specific to the project, and building a playwright/dramaturg relationship where mutual trust fosters creative risk.  

Emily Pearlman develops new work as a writer/performer and director/dramaturg. In the past 15 years she has been involved in the creation of 26 new plays in Ottawa, receiving five Prix Rideau Awards and nominated for 13 as a writer, performer and director. Passionate about teaching and mentorship, Emily is also an Artistic Associate with Theatre 4.669, professor at the University of Ottawa, and board member for Youth Infringement.

Director’s Preparation  

with Patrick Gauthier
April 25, 2020

Festival Director Patrick Gauthier will help you get ready to direct your Fringe (or any) show, discussing the importance of preparation and collaboration in this directing intensive. Learn how you can be best prepared for rehearsals, and discover tips, tricks, and techniques for working with actors and designers in the rehearsal hall and the theatre!

Patrick Gauthier is a multiple award-winning playwright and director. He is Festival Director of the Ottawa Fringe, where he curates the undercurrents festival and produces the Ottawa Fringe Festival. Patrick is a graduate of the University of Ottawa Department of Theatre and holds an MFA in Directing for the Theatre from the University of British Columbia.

Show Control: using technology to get a bigger bang for your buck

with AL Connors
May 2, 2020

This workshop focuses on integrating different design elements in a way that creates the most impact AND keeps things easy for stage management to control. We’ll look at specific designs from shows presented in Ottawa that include sound, lighting & projection, and examine the technical side of how they work. And then, we’ll build a sequence that involves sound, lighting and projection together!

AL Connors is a multi-award winning designer, specializing in sound and video projection design, as well as show control automation, and he’s the only anglophone sound designer to ever even be nominated in the history of the Les Prix Rideau Awards design category, with three nominations and two wins. His theatre work has been seen by tens of thousands of people in Ottawa and across Canada (and about a thousand people in China).